Sure just Ed Brown alpha elite: 3.2. For that reason its got a little too much recoil and im not as accurate with it as i am with my heavier pistols chambered in 9mm and 40 caliber . A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock yes the Masss might love them, but who the hell are the masses? And I dont know why Keltec lets Ruger & SCCY(and the defunct hellcat) slavishly copy their designs. The Recoil spring is a one spring like almost any other. Unlike several riflesOh wait I might get a 22mag but not for big money. So Ill pass on the herd mentality when buying guns thanks.. Simple, easy and the Beretta Pico is in fact one of the most mild shooting Pocket Pistols out there. I cant count on my DB380 to run consistently, so I had to give it a low rating. Taurus TCP voted best value-best overall 380 was Kahr p380-MUCH more expensive. That thing is a freaking beast of a gun in terms of durability (yes, I have seen torture tests of it). Um the SCCY is a near exact copy of the nearby(Cocoa,Fl) Keltec P-11. The only thing about that bill is that allows those in a govt approved marksmenship program to buy them first. In light of that, the valuable service you claim hes doing may well be smoke and mirrors. It covers the trigger guard of the pistol and has a hook and sticky material to stay secure in your pocket so it is easy to draw the pistol from your pocket without bringing the holster with it. Of all the firearm purchases you may make in your lifetime, a pocket gun is probably the one you can least afford to screw up. When I told him I never have a problem with my P-11 or my wifes Ruger SR-9, he then said maybe its the ammo. Thats not exactly The TRUTH About Guns. WebMAC Website & PrimaryArms website link: http://www.militaryarms.orgJoin Patreon and support MAC! And worst and I do mean worst of all is the Magazine release, which might be the most poorly placed, poorly designed and impossible mag release on any gun ive ever handled. I have two of the Picos. 6) IO Hellcat II (2.9 stars 0.6, 32 votes). Most often the issue is people dry firing, or using hollowpoints. This crowdsourced data points arent perfect, but if a product gets a statistically significant number of votes, we get a pretty good idea of how it stacks up thanks to the wisdom-of-crowds phenomenon. But despite those advantages, .380 pocket pistols have also been plagued by a number of downsides. Do they now have 12 round mags? For their size they are accurate but these are not range guns (especially the CM40). It is considerably lighter and smoother than the original LCP and other comparable .380 pistols, and it also features the Glock-style bladed safety that must first be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled. Every one of these pistols are incredibly easy to conceal in your pocket. Otherwise, their opinion may mean nothing. My dad bought a CPX-whichever has the safety about a month ago; Ill have to ask him what he thinks of it next time we talk. But thats just me Not everyone places as much weight on user ratings as I do. How many times are there accidental discharges from soft triggers? BTW except for the cobra all these little guns got good reviews at various timesFWIW. I sell guns and have ZERO hesitation about selling someone a CPX-2 for everyday carry. You did NOT mention that the Pico has RE-STRIKE CAPAPIBILITY. Im not going to bash talk the CPX-2 , but its going to take me a while to get use to it. I recommend them to people all the time, but I do caution that, as is to be expected with a DAO, the trigger is long. I went through 4 LCP. As soon as I saw the title I knew the Pico would be on the list. You want an example of why internet polls are not representative? good amount of rounds it is a damn good carry gun. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. And probably never fired one. I own expensive pistols and revolvers, as well as a SCCY CPX-2. You do not get a small light pistol without trade offs. No I dont own one I own two. Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. ******SPONSORED CONTENT/PRODUCT PLACEMENT******. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. .380 pocket pistols are traditionally difficult to fire for a number of reasons: in addition to the horrid trigger pulls like we just discussed, they also suffer from being extremely snappy due to their small size. They fall apart with any kink of volume down range. Well, Taurus only makes one gun that really meets the pocket pistol criteria set forth in the article. they gladly took it back and said the Cobra .380 was selling like hotcakes. All I know is my 1st CPX-2 had to be sent in for service 30 minutes after I got it home. This article was amateurishly conceived and executed, even if only judging by the hit-piece commentary on the SCCY. Therefore, if you want the slide to lock back, you need to use the magazines that were made specifically for the LCP II. These are last resort concealment guns with a lot of punch in a small package. Man, all I can say is when you mentioned the Pico, you sure messed up on that one. I own some pretty toys and more expensive carry guns but for everyday carry i choose between my CPX 2 and S&W 442 and feel just as confident with either. Then I go to the LGS and shoot the guns myself, having sorted down to a handful that might meet my needs. Double strike capability, Magazines all stainless that look like custom 1911 mags. The SCCY model CPX-2 is a fine lightweight pistol that shoots a stopper round 9mm. Super gun, works every time. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. Its a joy to shoot. With pocket pistols you get so much more in terms of everything for every little uptick in size you go. George have you tried a different ammo brand? I would even venture to say its a 50/50 gamble when buying a Kel Tec. A bunch. I actually have the cm9 and cw380 both and never an issue with either one. Oh well the TCP I had isnt top 5-it ran good for me. Glad I didnt see mine. Web.380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. Actually the design was made so that the magazine would not pop out on firing like other small pocket guns are guilty of, use the release correctly and it is a breeze. Did you give them Cyrillic numbers to rate with? the Truth about Guns is one of the most biased groups around. The first generation CPX-1s had some problems and gave the company a bad rep starting out, but the company was so adamant that they fixed their second Gen guns that you can send any of the old ones back (they shipped in red boxes) and they will replace them with brand new Gen 2s (which ship in blackish gray boxes). Its not a range gun, and should not be treated as such. Given how clannish and brand-loyal a lot of gunners are, it wouldnt shock me if about half the votes against the SCCY were cast because it wasnt a Glock 43, or something equally biased and stupid. . Of course the gun was the new upgraded model. Unless you can document that, I think you are off base posting what is basically a rumor. Its a sharp designed pistol with a great price . Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. Very very inconsistent across the board for everything they make to not be considered really bad. You get two shots, a single-action-only I carry in the front pocket and have trouble with the stupid buttons that accidentally release the mag. My NAA .380 ACP with Novak 3 dot night sights has been 100% reliable with every ammo tried and as accurate as I am. I experienced none of that with my p3at but it was entertaining to read. I some what question these results mainly because I own one of the guns on this list. That being said, the LCP II can also be carried IWB or in an ankle holster just as easily as it could be carried in a pocket. I bought one of the .380 Seecamps when they first came out. The trigger is fantastic, and reassuring in handling and holstering (leather IWB) in ways that Glock is not. Five for sure and nobody can show otherwise. The trigger seem to be the trouble people have with it. It is not made for quick magazine changes. I use the site SlickGuns a lot to shop for deals and they ran into the same problem with upvotes and downvotes people vote something down just because they wouldnt personally buy it makes no difference if it is a good deal, good product, etc. Just being a bashing b**** , gets you nowhere. And that considering the Kahr is a fine gun. Safe, small, and gives me some measure of security I wouldnt have without it. Did he shoot various ammo or run them for accuracy. So, pocket guns being inherently hard to shoot and prone to limp wristing will experience failures. Its fun to shoot really, PS: visited the site again, feeling slightly guilty for harping on the polling validity-. Really disappointed in how this was presented. The Kahr chokes on all kinds of ammo. Ive owned a CPX 2 for about a year and we shoot every weekend. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. As a back-up weapon to a larger pistol, the LCP II would also be a great choice as it has a very similar manual of arms to larger pistols such as Glocks while also being small enough to easily conceal carry as we have just seen. It is accurate, easy to shoot, recoil is manageable. They were remarkably accurate and soft-shooting, too. If you have to rely on Counter Clerks for advice on firearms tells me quite a bit. An odd shaped frame that in my opinion they actually went too small on trying to outdo everyone to be the king of small in 380s. Uh no. The tiny gun is lightweight, inexpensive and comfortable to carry. Oh not to mention Sccy has great The reason the trigger pull is lighter is because it is a SA trigger versus the DA trigger on the original LCP. Ruger sells the LCP II with a neoprene pocket holster (which has the Ruger logo on it), and it actually works quite well. You fire as soon as you pull and have aimed. The number of ratings is what sold his other books. Its that bad. All semi auto weapons will jam at one time or another, and dont feel the same in everyones hand.. Yea, guns like Diamondback, Jiminez, Lorcen, High Point and so forth have always had poor reputations, but guns like SCCY and the now Springfield Armory XD were initially poo pooed but turn out to be good guns I trust the Colt, Kahr, and Rugers, but I would like more power. I have several friends who own Picos and swear by them. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Never had a malfunction, easy to shoot, accurate, and good looking whats not to like? WebBeretta Pico: Worst .380 In the World?! Lol, a very nice DAO, the new Gen is much lighter. How many times do you change magazines in a self defense situation? Im guessing a .40 S&W round is just too unpleasant to shoot in this uber lightweight polymer-framed pocket gun. The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. Every gun has its limitations and knowledge goes a long way to ensure a positive outcome when it happens. But if carry options are limited to just a pocket carry for you (i.e. Ive got a CPX-2 and a Hellcat. And what sucks is I held off buying a 380 cause I really thought the Pico would be great. Ruger LCP Max 2. To start with they sat on it for 2 whole years teasing a release and it just kept getting pushed back further and further. Im about to order some more. It just goes into endless redirects until your browser gives up on it. OMG! Have owned and shot most of them. The design was intended to produce more accuracy while only sacrificing marginal power. So far wevecollected roughly 34,000 votes with an average rating of 6.1 overall. Stainless STEEL barrel, CHASSIS, best sights made on a pocket gun, Magazines that look like Custume 1911, all stainless steel with even a Steel follower. And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? The slide has the most ineffective grooves Ive ever felt. How is this journalisim? I have not had to use them as my SCCY has functioned perfectly so far. I had 4 LCPs that went down with cracked grips, frames, broken take down pin, split rails etc. To each his own . In the case of the SCCY they are worth it. The movie Gigli had the worst, lowest rating ever on IMDB, voted on by tens of thousands of people. Do not yank the magazine friends. To quote his expertise is laughable. One of the most MILD mannered pistols you can shoot in 380.They are Ultra reliable with all kinds of ammo. they do have a 200 round break in that they tell you to expect possible fails also. I chose. So there. I have thousands of rounds through both and they keep on trucking One gun has 5000 rounds with just one failure with all kinds of ammo and that was a bad primer strike, which by the way the Pico has double strike capability which took care of that. While larger .380 pistols such as the Walther PPK/S, Walther PK380, Bersa Thunder 380, and Glock 42 dont have this problem, the truly small pocket pistols such as the LCP and TCP most certainly do. No issue with it. Thats a lot! This article was total BS. Com-block mack chambered pistols, walthers, and the like just have better reliability w/ less break in. I tried to get Gunsgunsguns.net to pop up-no dice in 5 or 6 tries. Aside from the problems others have mentioned, the thing is slippery as hell. Happy ending. Funny. I dont know if I should believe anything guns3x has to say, he is clearly insane. Zero malfunctions in 300 rounds including pocket lint coverings. The price is right, but the performance and ratings just arent. His post show that he is just posting without knowledge of the firearms. I own a SCCY CPX-2 personally and it has been a flawless gun. Seriously?). And buying likes is one definite way to abuse it. Its teeny, accurate, and easy to handle. Trigger sucked. The .380 ACP semi-automatic pistol is one of the most popular categories of concealed carry weapons in the United States and has been for years. Ive heard more than a handful of DEALERS who rate it a much better overall weapon than the KelTec which it resembles, and the machining does appear superior in my estimation. Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! Nonetheless, it still suffers from many of the issues that we just talked about in the previous section: the trigger pull is awful, they are difficult to shoot, it can be difficult to get a good grip on the pistol for some shooters, and the slide wont even lock back on the last round fired. I agree, the P3AT is my go to light carry gun. The Sccy gets a 4.3 rating and it stinks? 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