You need at least a 2MOA to use it at distance much. Not sure how big the Holo red dot is. How about thanking this man for putting this out you prick. If you can't see well enough to zero at 36 yards then there is no advice that is going to help. Red dots are for speed not precision. In that trajectory chart above, I'm a max of 1.4 mils high at 100 yards, 1.7 mils low at 450 yards, and dead-on at 300 yards, as far as holdovers. This is a case for Mr. MOA. I cant tell you which zero distance is the best one; thats really going to be up to you, your skill level and the set-up of your rifle. It is a very fast way to zero an AR-15 which is very convenient for me since many of my carbines are in a constant state of flux as I try various items for review. Like, a 18 bbl shooting 55gr might be better suited whereas a 10.5 bbl shooting 77gr might not be as well suited? What is the POI at 100 yards with a 50/200 zero? ._1aTW4bdYQHgSZJe7BF2-XV{display:-ms-grid;display:grid;-ms-grid-columns:auto auto 42px;grid-template-columns:auto auto 42px;column-gap:12px}._3b9utyKN3e_kzVZ5ngPqAu,._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px}._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP:before{content:"";margin-right:4px;color:#46d160}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{display:inline-block;word-break:break-word}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-weight:500}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-weight:400;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin-top:13px;margin-bottom:2px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO ._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;margin-right:4px;margin-left:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y{border-radius:4px;box-sizing:border-box;height:21px;width:21px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(2),._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(3){margin-left:-9px} The 300 yard shots are still doable, but as target distances increase youre going to need to know the specific holds for your set up out to that distance, so its important to really know your gun. Depending on your sighting system and target size this could end up obscuring your target, so keep that in mind if you plan to use this zero. It is a very fast way to zero which is very convenient for me since many carbines are in a constant state of flux as I try various items for review. The graph shows that your .270 Win. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs. certified instructor prior to handling any firearm and be sure to read your owners manual. It's nothing you can't figure out with a ballistic calculator. Point and shoot from 50 yards to 150 yards. 09 at 50 yards for a 230 yard zero, max point blank range for deer would be 270 yards. The bottom dot on the 0:0 axis is where the bullet would hit if you were aiming at a target 25 yards away with a 36yd zero which is approximately -.72 below your point of aim. t of aim at 25 yards, which puts them at roughly point of aim at 100 yards because of how bullet trajectory works. Tungsten penetrator ). Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. But if the range of your target could be anywhere out to 300 yards, your best choice among those shown is the 36 yard zero. Basically, the 5.56 AR15 is a self-defense weapon so I would stick with the 50 yards zero. Especially with a 7.5 Just about any self defense situation is gonna be well within that range anyway. Your data will put me in the ballpark. 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Lets remember this is a speedy way to start zeroing, but you arnt zeroed unless you confirm AT the zero distance. If this proves to be accurate this would be very close to the 36 yard zero for the 5.56 round. Looks like a convincing argument for a 36 yard zero for red dot carbines and some LPVO. Halfway between? The table below will include drop data using a 50 yard zero, a 200 yard zero, and 100 yard zero for comparison. Im guessing this is all highly dependent on the velocities youre getting in your particular rifle? At 36 yards, the bullet's trajectory will be 4 inches above the point of aim, and at 300 yards it will be about 2 inches below the point of aim, providing a suitable point of impact for distances between 25 and 300 yards. Be sure to print at actual size. His 36-yard zero target is perfect. Thank you all for your suggestions and input . Does that back into a 36 yard zero? Thanks for all the great info on your site! It is also just theory until you test it yourself but it should be close to what you can expect. 40 yard zero, than anything inside of 40 back to zero will be no more than the offset from the bore axis to the sights. 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And the process begins all over. You can also use the top circles as a 200yard zero when aiming at the red squares at 100 yards. Or, in terms of hunting, a variation of less than the profile of a deer heart over 100 yards. AT 36 you are going to have to hold under at 50 and maybe at 100. Place the target at 25 yards. Find it here on Amazon: https://amzn.to/3aAzerSPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/kotaboy32Email: kotabo. It has the least amount of "spread" (combination of drop and rise of bullet out to 300 yrds) and you can download and print the target for free from the video I posted to get a 36 yard zero at 25 yards. Springfield Armory recommends you seek qualified and competent training from a That seems like a lot. My advice is to get a ballistic calculator and put in your specific data because there are all sorts of things that will affect the results. You should of course then verify at one of those distances.). I mentioned inread more , A question has come to mind lately about the various product offerings out in the firearm world particularly red dotread more . For better or worse, the 36 yard zero is basically a hybrid that flattens out the St. Louis Arch of a trajectory the 25 yard zero creates while still providing a decent maximum range. You can click here to access the PDF. Other Calibers may be used for differentpurposes so I would zero them according to the primary purpose. Your largest holds are 4ish inches under at 175 yards and 3ish inches over at 300 yards. At ten yards, you will be POA/POI with a ten yard zero, but you will find that at other distances, your hold over and hold under will change drastically. 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Lets just say Im going to use the same numbers as the 10.5 barrel. 100 yard Magnified optics recommended Great zero for shooting steel silhouettes for a target. I can also tell you from experience that when youre amped up and the lizard brain takes over, youll really only be thinking point and shoot. Jerking the Trigger posted up a quick target that allows us city-slickers to use available resources to our advantage. I've been at 36yd for about a year in the AR and AK, both are 5.56. The AR I have the red dot on is mostly just for home defense and a truck gun. The gray dot is 1.9 below your point of aim (POA) and represents your point of impact (POI). The views Redo it with a 3 scope height and 2750 FPS please. You are using an out of date browser. He goes over bullet drop for each specific zero, and overall the 36yd zero has the closest gaps from 0-300. The video maker above left SEAL team I believe in 2008. For all intents and purposes, I dont think youre going to be let down or at a severe disadvantage if you choose either one over the other. For the heavier rounds, I'd zero, as jc says, 1" high at 100 yards. Like a lot of those situations, though, the points argued are based on personal bias and the actual differences are pretty minimal. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A quick copy of the original article is below and you can link to it directly by clicking here. The near/far zero concept (25/300, 50/200, and now 10/50/200) is more like an improved field boresight with live fire than an actual zeroing method. Primary Arms SLx 1x Prism Gen 2- Can it Replace a Red Dot? Most people can find a 10 yard (30 feet) line of sight in their home. For flat shooting at longer ranges, the convention for a .30-06 is 2 1/2 inches high at 100 yards. Sorry for my ignorance, can you explain the large target waterline test? 36 Yard Zero for .556? 300 yards is great for longer barrels. You can also see Frank Proctor explain it here. Rifle Specs: M6A2 PSD 8.5 in bbl. With a zero of 100 yards the .223/5.56 round will impact approx 3/4 low at 50 yards and around 2.25 low at 200 yards. Cons: None out to 200 yards which is a 5 hold. Drives me nuts when I have to zero a rifle for 3-gun and the longest range I can get too quickly is a scant 15 yards. I'll take that. keep in mind the AR and the 223/5.56 round is designed for fat engagement. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} However, lets be honest in the hands of the average shooter, this combination is probably good for 3 MOA on a good day. 36yrd gave me the smallest spread of 6.125" to 250yrds and not much variation inside of 36yrds. That means from 0-100 yards you only need to be concerned with your height over bore when shooting a target. Your rifle zero is only correct at two distances. The only catch is these are done in 5 5 6, so the next question is whether or not this zero will hold with a throw a platform. The 25/36 yard options are better suited for home/self defense. The Army worked with this over 10 years ago when they played with the CAT-C(AWG) program for marksmanship. UPDATE: If you want to save even more time on the range, consider using this target for bore sighting at home. It works but i went back to a 50 yard. So, Im shooting an ar pistol, 7.5 barrel. I've been trying to figure out the best zero I should use for my red dot. Is It Better to Go Factory or Build a One-Off AR-15? This makes it easy to achieve the POA/POI relationship necessary to achieve the 50/200 yard zero at 10 yards. Ill leave you with this tip: if you have astigmatism like I do and your red dot looks wonky, flip up the small rear aperture it will help focus the dot for a better defined aiming point. Is there a comparable distance to zero to that gives the same behavior? I use the 36 yard zero for all my irons and red dots. optics get the standard 100 yard zero. At the range I ran through some drills to work on accuracy and precision. Remember that the hold-overs and hold-unders are in MOA. You will be able to hit within a 1 circle from just a few feet from the muzzle out to approximately 59 yards. I do them at 75 yards but then I don't shoot enough to speak much on this . Go with it. inches to zero at 200 yards. Using a target like the Langdon Tactical Target, shoot 3 rounds at a 2-inch circle, 10 yards away. Oops, there's been an error. Temp was in low 40s, but windchill made it much colder. By 200 yards you're already needing to compensate for bullet drop. The 36 yard zero is favored by the US Marines. Put dot on center mass. In the military, we were told to hold low up to 250 meters and then hold dead on for 300 meters. Accuracy Profile: Ballistic Advantage 16 Inch SPR. If you want to be accurate out to 500 yards, 3 inches high would be even better. The 36-yard zero is a versatile option, providing an optimal balance between close-range and long-range shooting. articles and videos are considered to be suggestions and not recommendations from Springfield Armory. I like that idea, if I make another article like this I will see if I can do that. A solid option for shooting a short-barreled 223/5.56 to 200 yards. Therefore, with a 26-yard zero, you can hold on the target and expect to hit a 6-inch vital zone from 0 . Sighting-in a hunting rifle to hit a certain number of inches high at 100 yards (or 100 meters) maximizes the point blank range of the rifle and cartridge and is superior to zeroing at a fixed distance like 200 yards. Red dots need to take advantage of a point and shoot zero like any of the other options. I was not able to chronograph the guns. They have offered solid products for years andread more , Yesterday I stopped by the range for a quick day of shooting and testing my new ammunition. But that is also the round itself not the zeros fault. Of course, it is best to refine your zero at distances greater than 10 yards. The image shown is not to scale. Pull trigger. I was recently reading about the 36 yard zero and would like to try it out. If I need to push out a bit farther, I can just hold level with the shoulder line or top of the target for 350 and 400 yards, respectively. So aiming at a steel circle, you would have to hold off of the target. I see that makes sense I dont have a 45* mrd. This provides a trajectory with a maximum ordinate during flight of just over 4.5" above the line of sight at around 200 yards. Other Calibers may be used for different purposes so I would zero them according to the primary purpose. Zeroing a carbine with open sights or a red dot at 100 yards isnt intuitive, but the concept has been gaining ground in recent years for certain applications. This kind of medium range shooting should be easy if you zero at 100 yards and then adjust your elevation for a 200-yard shot. Cons: None out to 200 yards. I are confused. . Dec 1, 2016. This makes it easy to achieve the POA/POI relationship necessary to achieve the rough 50/200 yard zero at 10 yards. That should work for you. I used the Litz test. The 10 yard red dot zero is pretty simple, but it does require the shooter to be able to shoot 3 shots that all touch each other or almost touch each other at 10 yards. If you KNOW you're going to be shooting targets at exactly 100 yards, then the 100 yard zero (obviously) or even the 25 yard zero are ideal. The black represents your point of aim. As always, make sure to calculate the differences in clicks in your optics for the shorter range. Logistically, it may also be easier for some shooters to get a 50 yard zero since many ranges may not have the facilities available to set up and shoot 36 yards. The gray dot is 1.9 below your point of aim (POA) and represents your point of impact (POI). The targets are designed to work with a low mount AK optic sight height (2.25" over the bore) using averaged 123gr 7.62x39mm velocities from a 16" barrel. Through Science! With calibers like .308 and 6.5 creedmoor. Could you run a 100 yard zero through your ballistic program and publish the drop? Using iron sights the SKS manual calls for a 100 meter zero prone with just a sling. What do you recommend as best Best zero distance for a 22 barrel? Its definitely more point and click friendly further out. Go with a 50 and be done with it. I'll take it. You will be able to leave a comment after signing in, AR15Armory.com Cons: Not ideal for a red dot zero. A quick copy of the original article is below and you can link to it directly by clicking here. It is about .1 MIL difference than a 25 yard zero and a 36 yard zero on the SKS is really a 26 to 52 yard zero. Once you learn the bullet drop, then you are left with windage which is the hard part in open country. I sight mine at 10 yards for both sport shooting and SD. This statement (and others like it) is one of the reasons 5.56 gets a bad rap. Sorry, an error occurred and we could not sign you up. Whichever distance you do zero at, I recommend shooting out to as far as possible so that you know what you, your rifle and your ammunition are capable of doing. Your rifle is only zeroed atthe range you zero it at (50 yards, 25 yards, 36 yards, 100 yards)and the second distance will be a close guestimate until you confirm it at range. they have figured out a target you can zero on at 10 yards which will give you a 50/200 yard zero for your rifle at range. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{vertical-align:middle}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} Pros: Your largest hold under is about 1.5 at 125 yards which in my book is point and shoot. Cons: None. Shooting smaller groups on a short zero don't make them smaller at 100. . As for why I would want a different zero for my red dot I would just like to be a little more confident when shooting at ranges beyond 100 yards. The trajectory of a 55gr .243 round at 4000 odd fps is very different to a 100gr at 3000 fps. (5.56 62gr. The latest content straight to your inbox plus an automatic entry to each of our monthly gungiveaways! I highly recommend that you review Frank Proctors video on this zeroing method and my brief comments on how it worked for me before attempting it. Otherwise a 100-yard zero wastes your bullet's trajectory potential. You should always check your zero at the actual zero distance when possible but this will get you close. On the flip side, if you are guarding some tower and the terrain is very open and far, 25 or 36 might be the way to go. The gray dot is 1.9 below your point of aim (POA) and represents your point of impact (POI). All the explaining I'm not going to do is in this video. You can also . I will talk about my preferred distance to zero my AR chambered in 5.56. The 10 yard RDS zero does require one special skill - the ability to shoot 3 rounds inside a 2 inch circle at 10 yards. Never rely on a ballistic calculator, rely on the data your rifle gives you from actually shooting! 36 yard zero or 25 yard danielosborn1994 Feb 11, 2023 The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana Member Benefits: Fewer Ads! To help keep things on track and provide context, Im using a SAINT Victor 5.56 rifle with a 16 barrel shooting some flavor of 55- to 62-gr. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. The only category in which the 36 y zero loses is it produces that greatest rise along the trajectory, and that's at 100 yards (1.29"). Would be willing to bet that the Marines were using it for decades by then. One of TFBs resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. Up to me to do the shooting and fiddle-out the results. Those gents can shoot and this zero is well thought out. This includes 10.3 and 14.5 using 55g IMI and 77g Mk262 and BH equivalents. Draw it out too. Note: a 200 yard zero and a 50 yard zero are practically the same for these calibers. What ballistics calculator app are the screenshots from? If you hate math, targets have the offset marked for use at 25. Whether thats 100 yards and in or from zero to 300 yards, there are a few viable options from which you can choose. and opinions expressed on this website are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the You can click here to access the PDF. 1 moa = 1 at 100 yards so at 25 yards 4 moa is only 1. Round drops off after 225 yards from a 5.5 hold to a 9 hold at 250 and it just falls. Looks more like that. Great summary. 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I use 50-200 because it actually lines up with my BDC drops on the Razor HD ii. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.ea0ac1df4e6491a16d39_.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} His career, which saw him ascend from an undrafted free agent to a two-time Most Valuable Player and Super Bowl MVP, is . 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